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  Annual meeting. Greek scholars please help!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  below is a statement from gb member gerrit losch.

  notice what is said about the fds.

  is this true?

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  raymond frantz

  It's so messed up that nothing that comes out of their lying mouths makes any sense
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  Contributions ,how the Society CONTROLS the funds of a congragation

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm not sure if anyone has started a post about contributions recently ,but if there is an accounts servant here please free to correct me or shed some more light .what i'm about to say is 100% accurate and applies to congragations in britain (don't ask me how just ...join the dots).

  the society controls all the funds that are coming in the kingdom hall all of the time .the way this works out is as follows :you put any money in any of the contribution boxes and in the end all money are added to together and deposited to the congragation's bank account .the worldwide donations leave the account as a direct debit to the society every week and the rest stays in the account .now comes the interesting bit :once the account goes over 5000 we are instructed to send the rest to the society as a cheque and is held in their account for as long as the congragation doesn't needed back .this way all but 5000 are held in the society's account .any other experiences ?.

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  raymond frantz

  ...It gets worse .The money donated to C.O. are as follows Traveling Overseer Arrangemt Fund (=£3 per publisher ) from a congragation of 100 ,that is £300 a week per congragation ,on top of that ,he gets food paid ,hand outs and weekly expenses paid for,total £1500-1800 a month (=maybe even more) .In this time of Global Recession ,they sure live above the average Jw and do nothing all day but telling us how not to go to university
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  Annual meeting. Greek scholars please help!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  below is a statement from gb member gerrit losch.

  notice what is said about the fds.

  is this true?

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  raymond frantz

  THis is the original GREEK text : "Τις αρα εστιν ο πιστος και φρονιμος δουλος ...."

  'O (=is the definitive article) πιστος (=faithful ) δουλος (=slave)

  Just because there is an "o" in front of the faithful and discreet slave that doesn't mean that this is a specific group or singular person at a specific time .Greek language commonly uses "o" for male adjuctives or nouns .For example :

  O μαθητης πρεπει να ακουει τον δασκαλο (=The student should listen to the teacher) By using "o" in front of student that doesn't mean that the student is a specific person or group of people at a specific point of time , it shows that ,if you claim to be a student you then have to listen to your teacher.

  Matthew 24:45-47 is a parable not a prophecy .99% off all scholars and Christian Churchs regarded as a parable .The slave can be any Christian that demonstates the attributes presented in the verse i.e. faithful and discreet .

  The current GB of Jehovah's Witnesses lack any interpratational integrity when it comes to the the Bible ,use your own research and understanding.
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  Contributions ,how the Society CONTROLS the funds of a congragation

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm not sure if anyone has started a post about contributions recently ,but if there is an accounts servant here please free to correct me or shed some more light .what i'm about to say is 100% accurate and applies to congragations in britain (don't ask me how just ...join the dots).

  the society controls all the funds that are coming in the kingdom hall all of the time .the way this works out is as follows :you put any money in any of the contribution boxes and in the end all money are added to together and deposited to the congragation's bank account .the worldwide donations leave the account as a direct debit to the society every week and the rest stays in the account .now comes the interesting bit :once the account goes over 5000 we are instructed to send the rest to the society as a cheque and is held in their account for as long as the congragation doesn't needed back .this way all but 5000 are held in the society's account .any other experiences ?.

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  raymond frantz

  The congragation gets 0% interest out of their "deposit" with the Society .Now ,we know the Society is playing in the Stock Market and attends Hedge Funds meetings ,so I'm pretty sure they make more than 0% interest on these funds .The congragation was never asked if that was ok ,it was only announced every time the accounts were read ,but there was no Resolution
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  Contributions ,how the Society CONTROLS the funds of a congragation

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'm not sure if anyone has started a post about contributions recently ,but if there is an accounts servant here please free to correct me or shed some more light .what i'm about to say is 100% accurate and applies to congragations in britain (don't ask me how just ...join the dots).

  the society controls all the funds that are coming in the kingdom hall all of the time .the way this works out is as follows :you put any money in any of the contribution boxes and in the end all money are added to together and deposited to the congragation's bank account .the worldwide donations leave the account as a direct debit to the society every week and the rest stays in the account .now comes the interesting bit :once the account goes over 5000 we are instructed to send the rest to the society as a cheque and is held in their account for as long as the congragation doesn't needed back .this way all but 5000 are held in the society's account .any other experiences ?.

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  raymond frantz

  I'm not sure if anyone has started a post about contributions recently ,but if there is an Accounts Servant here please free to correct me or shed some more light .What I'm about to say is 100% accurate and applies to congragations in Britain (don't ask me how just ...join the dots)

  The Society controls all the funds that are coming in the Kingdom Hall all of the time .The way this works out is as follows :You put any money in any of the contribution boxes and in the end all money are added to together and deposited to the Congragation's Bank Account .The Worldwide donations leave the account as a direct debit to the Society every week and the rest stays in the Account .Now comes the interesting bit :Once the account goes over £5000 we are instructed to send the rest to the Society as a cheque and is held in their account for as long as the Congragation doesn't needed back .This way all but £5000 are held in the Society's Account .Any other experiences ?
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  Maybe this is a way to get a Witness to use CRITICAL THINKING ?

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been trying recently different ways to get fellow witnesses to use their thinking faculties ,one that seems to work is the following :.

  "would you believe in the trinity if the governing body told you to ?

  because it is not in the bible .

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  raymond frantz

  Cold Steel ,I couldn't agree more .Asking for credentials is the number one obvious thing to ask ,but I find this approach more confrontentional and something I use when everything fails .My approach is based on the assumption that most Witnesses have that if there is a change in doctrine is not a problem since the Governing Body said it.Also I use my argument as a way to refute the famous loyalty question that frames someone as an apostate :" Do you belive that Jehovah guides the Governing Body?" .It is based on the idea of who is the final authority and having used it twice with "sleeping " Witnesses ,it seems to work .
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  Maybe this is a way to get a Witness to use CRITICAL THINKING ?

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been trying recently different ways to get fellow witnesses to use their thinking faculties ,one that seems to work is the following :.

  "would you believe in the trinity if the governing body told you to ?

  because it is not in the bible .

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  raymond frantz

  I'm only trying to plant a seed ,I really feel for all these brothers and sisters being abused spiritually .I think we are at a point where time is on our side .THis is not another 1975, this time things are different .I've seen people stepping down or being disfellowshiped the last year more than I have ever since in my life as a Witness
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  Maybe this is a way to get a Witness to use CRITICAL THINKING ?

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been trying recently different ways to get fellow witnesses to use their thinking faculties ,one that seems to work is the following :.

  "would you believe in the trinity if the governing body told you to ?

  because it is not in the bible .

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  raymond frantz

  I have been trying recently different ways to get fellow Witnesses to use their thinking faculties ,one that seems to work is the following :

  "Would you believe in the Trinity if the Governing Body told you to ? "

  No!

  "Why ? "

  Because it is not in the Bible

  "Who is the final authority then ,the Bible or the Governing Body?"

  The Bible

  "If the doctrine of Trinity is your drawing the line ,would you accept that, for others this line could be a different doctrine?"

  THAT WAY OF APPROACH SEEMS TO WORK EVERYTIME ,what do you think?
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  The Governing Body Myth

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  whatever your feelings about god or the bible, you may agree that thier manner of communication is very nice.

  when the matter could not be resolved, paul and barnabas took the issue back to the congregation of the brothers who originated the problem - the jerusalem congregation.

  we learn from this account, not that the jerusalem congregation served as a headquarters or governing body that handed down instruction and guidance for the other congregations.

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  raymond frantz

  The last thing I want is to follow some anonymous self appointed anointed . I don't want to replace one ideol (GB) with another (anointedjw) .We 're all going to heaven ,anointed and great crowd .We' re all equal and therefore unless they can back their words with miracles they're as good as any of us .

  They way they write is somewhat apologetic .It is as if Antony Morris has realised the game is up and presents himself as the kind anointed comapred to the hardline anointed that he and his mates are
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  If you believe God exists, what are your thoughts on what pleases him most?

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  our family has come to believe that god really wants each individual to personally and independently seek, find and walk with him - quite apart from what other humans say, think, believe or do.. we believe we were created as semi-autonomous beings.

  when our inner compass is recalibrated, and we then self-direct, the outcomes seem best.. when we are instead led by humans, their hierarchies, organisations and ideas, the outcomes on the whole seem unfavourable.

  legalism (rules), moralism (a moral code), ethnocentrism (doctrine), and gnosticism (knowledge) may seem meritorious.. yet these do not seem to lead to the deep inner transformation needed.

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  raymond frantz

  I grew up in a Witness family ,when I was a kid about 9-10 I told my dad that God is like a scientist ,trial and error, he made Adam and seeing he wasn't happy he gave him Eve .He said that was a blasphemy .I don't think so anymore . I see the Bible as a God's PR exercise towards mankind and evidence that he doesn't know us that well .The OT God is hateful ,loves killing and exact punishment ,this is a fact ,you can't escape it .The NW God is loving ,forgiving ,more understanting. In the new system to come we might get to see another face